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Tags View and Management
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Larry Blume |
Hi everyone,
Just to clarify scope for this particular request, I've renamed this topic. There are a few different things being discussed here:
1. Ability to filter Artists based on Tags - this is covered by this feature request: feedback.innuos.com/b/feature-requests/add-filter-by-genre-tap-to-artist-browsing
2. Having a Genres view to navigate via genres - this is covered by this feature.
3. Allowing adding tags to TIDAL - this is covered here: feedback.innuos.com/b/feature-requests/allow-adding-tags-to-tidal-albums
Our plan is then, as suggested, to add a Tags view on the Music section that allows to navigate the Music Library. We'll provide sort options by Name and by Number of Albums associated with each tag and allow to directly play a Smart Mix based on the tag. This should make it more straighforward to just "play some Blues music". Additionally, when selecting a tag you can view Albums or Artists associated with the Tag. So if you want to explore a genre and want to check both Albums and Artists (Composers, Album Artists or Track Artists), you can now do this easily without having to navigate around.
However, and because tags/genres can be quite messed up in a music library, we are adding tools to manage the tags too. The most powerful one will be the Merge Tags tool, where you can select several tags and merge them together. Let's say you have tags "Rock", "rock" and "rock music". You can select these 3 tags and merge them into "Rock". The system will actually change the tags on the files so that it's persistent and can be exported to other systems like UPnP or Sonos. Additionally, it's also possible to rename a tag to a name of your choice and all tracks with the tag will be updated. This should allow to manage the tags on your library to your exact taste. It's quite interesting how navigating the library using filters makes so much more sense once the tags are as we want them :-)
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Larry Blume
Super!
Harry59
Hi, I've tried the example given by merging my tags 'Rock' and 'rock'. I get an error message, probably because there are to many albums connected to both tags.'Rock' has over 500 albums and 'rock' about 150 albums. Is there a maximum? If there is, can I somehow merge these tags in another way? Thanks, Harry
Stephen Healy
Hi Harry, no reason for that not to work - please forward this directly to support@innuos.com and we will take a look.
Harry59
Thanks, I'll report this to the support group.
Stephen Healy
Status changed to: Live
vulcanore
is it possible to allow people to edit and use their own tags, say I want to look at my Audiophile albums, I would have opened and named an Audiophile tag and then added any albums I think fit
guardajoias
Ideally it will be possible to manage tags by adding tags: for example, I would select all Classical Albums, but then have to ability to add a Baroque tag to the albums that I select. Or Add a Baroque tag to all albums with a Composer of the baroque era, without removing the generic Classical tag... This will make smart mixes more relevant
Stephen Healy
Hi, yes the tags are completely user-definable.
Stephen Healy
Yes, a mass-application of tags to chosen albums will be a significant mechanism to really leverage an effective library filtering system, so is something we are looking into.
guardajoias
Yes, the key is being able to add the tags to a number of albums at once. It is indeed possible already today on a one by one basis, but this is rather tedious. If I can select all Classical Albums, then select some of them and add in one shot, the Baroque tag to the selected albums, that will be great
Nuno Vitorino
This is now being implemented. It will not be part of release 2.4 but will be on the next feature release after that.
Nuno Vitorino
Status changed to: Testing
guardajoias
Please make sure when you implement it to allow combined filters: i.e. search Composers by genre: Classical composers, Jazz composers etc... Thank you! This is the feature miss the most from iPeng days (together with the ability to select multiple trackers for inclusion in playlists, deletion etc)
Theodore Woods/Chadjitheodorou
This will be great indeed. Will we be able to "add" genre tabs to Tidal titles as well, so that we can categorise them accordingly?
Larry Blume
Bravo, Nuno!
JLT1947
thank you Nuno for moving this request to "planned", much aoppreciated !
Nuno Vitorino
Status changed to: In Progress
JLT1947
Here's a (hopefully) new argument for having a COMPOSERS view - for classical music libraries:
more and more, both classical music producers/editors and soloists/conductors tend to publish "thematic" albums with, say, 5 or 6 different composers on the same album or CD, a few among which being totally unknown even to classical music buffs - my own classical library indeed has 1300 composers (some jazz included), among which A. Bazzini (3 album entries), Y. Bowen (3), G. Bacewicz (10), A. Bax (9), etc.... (I've limited myself to the initial B for now) well, maybe Bax is not totally unknown after all, but so many 100's others ...... It would NEVER occur to me to search directly on these names I've hardly heard or seen, but, as my library grows, their presence is not anecdotal anymore. Yet these composers will stay invisible for ever, as they appear on 1 or 2 tracks here and there, UNLESS I can see them in some composer list ! - then they're not unknown any more (at least to me), but the learning curve for these 1300 composers is very very slow considering how one plays one's library ......
So please, Nuno, re-consider ! Your filter and search function are powerful and elegant, yet do nothing to help me "unearth" these minor yet fascinating composers that a lot of musicians of the younger generations tend to promote.
Thank you for your consideration -:)
Nuno Vitorino
Hi, you can go to Artists and then select Composers on the top right option. This is pretty much the same as a Composer View that exists on LMS. We opted for this approach so not to have a lot of options directly on the Music Screen, it can become quite confusing otherwise. I still think it makes sense you search for composers within artists rather than having the option directly on Music. For genres I can understand the case better as it does involve quite a lot more clicks. But let me know your thoughts.
JLT1947
Hi, your response about the Composers view is fine with me, thank you, no use to debate whether composers are part of Artists or separate !
About genres (and Years maybe) I would enjoy a "direct" access (or via the Albums view), as I've put some time and energy into careful and precise tagging there - I'm not the only one I guess ! As far as I'm concerned, I've created genres such as: Chamber Music, Recital, and most importantly genres associated with editors' collections (e.g. the Hyperion catalogue), although these collections could be assembled into playlists instead of genres (it's easier to go with genres as this is done at tag review time, rather than later).
Neelesh Hundekari
I agree. Need a genres tab right on the home screen.
1. Depending on your mood you can then straight away to those albums or artists by choosing the genre.
2. Also will show you wrong, duplicate genres and can help in editing, cleaning up genres.
guardajoias
This is true as long as composers can be separated by genre. All composers mixed is rather useless, while browsing classical composers or jazz composers specifically is useful. But if indeed this ability is being implemented the problem will be solved! Very much looking forward to it!
Ludo B
Agree with Larry, we need to be able to access the list of genres, in the same way as we can access list of artists or albums. Today when I want to access the genres I switch to iPeng...
Nuno Vitorino
Isn't the ability to go to Albums > Filters and then pick one or multiple genres from there a much more flexible approach then going through just a list of genres?
Ludo B
Hi Nuno, thanks for coming back to me. Filtering by genre is doable of course, but less convenient. When I want to listen to music, in general I don't have a precise album or artist in mind, but I know which genre I want to listen to. So actually the 'album' view is useless to me unless I filter. Same for the artist view. This is why I often prefer to launch my music from iPeng/Genre: this way I can pick some music in a very few clicks. In other words, I am 'click-lazy'...
Nuno Vitorino
That is fair enough. Technically it's easy to add a Genres view on Music. We would have thought the new filter approach is much more flexible but perhaps there is space for both.
guardajoias
That would be useful as it does not burden much the interface, and it is true that sometimes one may want to browse by genre rather than do a search with selected tags...
Larry Blume
Hi Nuno, your points 2 and 3 work for me, but when I put a composer's name into the search area, I get only albums with the name in the album title. And while we're talking about searches, boolean searches would be nice.
Nuno Vitorino
If you use the search within the artists area, you will only get artists there. One thing though is true - the search there is not taking into account your filter so if you have chosen "Composers" it won't search only by composer but on all artists. I think this could eventually help narrowing things down better?
guardajoias
Definitely it would be very helpful for search results to take into account filters. Ideally, also have the ability to use filters to narrow search results: Classical composers, then among those, look for specific names or titles...
guardajoias
but currently you cannot do both at the same time: get classical albums, and then browse by composer... So when I try to look through classical composers, I get plenty of irrelevant results. Please allow filters on Artist view as well...
Nuno Vitorino
Hi Larry,
You can actually search by Composer and genres in several ways:
1. On the Search area, if you just type in the Composer name
2. On the Music > Artists you have on the top-right a drop-down to select only composers
3. To get albums by genre, you can go to Music > Albums and click on Filters on top-right. This will list your genres and you can pick the ones you want.
Does this satisfy what you need? Otherwise can you provide more detail?
Larry Blume
Hi Nuno,
On 1: I have to do some data gathering. When I type Bach into the Search area, I only get back albums that have Bach in the title. I will have to look at my ID3 composer tags, and to what my Zenith thinks is in my library, and see what's going on. I'll get back if there are things that look like they should be picked up but are not.
Larry Blume
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guardajoias
It seems indeed that doing a search for a composer does not find albums that have that composer in the composer field. It only finds it if the name of the composer happens to be in the title. The composer field is ignored in a search. As for browsing by Composer, there is not yet the ability to filter by genre or other criteria... As a result looking for music by composer is difficult.
Larry Blume
There is, of course, Nuno's method 2, but it is inconvenient if you have a lot of composers, because you get ALL your composers in alphabetical order and then have to scroll to your target. Would it be hard to add searching by composer to the search window? Better yet - how about boolean searches? Since you've got this great database, exploit it to the max! Music management is a big issue for classical music listeners and for jazz listeners as well.
guardajoias
This seems solved by 2.0.5, but filters for composers or other artist role remain relevant
Afghan Vet
Thank You! I didn't see a filter, but if I put my Genre name in the search when in Albums, they were displayed per the Genre. I'd rather have a Genre button, opens up, choose the Genre, then presented with a list of Artists. But this is a start.
Afghan Vet
Thank You! Choosing Albums, and then putting in the Genre I tagged them as in the search brought up albums by Genre. I'd rather have a separate Genre button that brings up a search that takes you to a list of Artists, and then the user chooses albums from the artist, but this is a start.