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Search by composer, genre


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Larry Blume

As the title says,...

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Theodore Woods/Chadjitheodorou

This will be great indeed. Will we be able to "add" genre tabs to Tidal titles as well, so that we can categorise them accordingly?


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Larry Blume

Bravo, Nuno!


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JLT1947

thank you Nuno for moving this request to "planned", much aoppreciated !


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Nuno Vitorino

Status changed to: Planned

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JLT1947

Here's a (hopefully) new argument for having a COMPOSERS view - for classical music libraries:
more and more, both classical music producers/editors and soloists/conductors tend to publish "thematic" albums with, say, 5 or 6 different composers on the same album or CD, a few among which being totally unknown even to classical music buffs - my own classical library indeed has 1300 composers (some jazz included), among which A. Bazzini (3 album entries), Y. Bowen (3), G. Bacewicz (10), A. Bax (9), etc.... (I've limited myself to the initial B for now) well, maybe Bax is not totally unknown after all, but so many 100's others ...... It would NEVER occur to me to search directly on these names I've hardly heard or seen, but, as my library grows, their presence is not anecdotal anymore. Yet these composers will stay invisible for ever, as they appear on 1 or 2 tracks here and there, UNLESS I can see them in some composer list ! - then they're not unknown any more (at least to me), but the learning curve for these 1300 composers is very very slow considering how one plays one's library ......
So please, Nuno, re-consider ! Your filter and search function are powerful and elegant, yet do nothing to help me "unearth" these minor yet fascinating composers that a lot of musicians of the younger generations tend to promote.
Thank you for your consideration -:)


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Nuno Vitorino

Hi, you can go to Artists and then select Composers on the top right option. This is pretty much the same as a Composer View that exists on LMS. We opted for this approach so not to have a lot of options directly on the Music Screen, it can become quite confusing otherwise. I still think it makes sense you search for composers within artists rather than having the option directly on Music. For genres I can understand the case better as it does involve quite a lot more clicks. But let me know your thoughts.


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JLT1947

Hi, your response about the Composers view is fine with me, thank you, no use to debate whether composers are part of Artists or separate !
About genres (and Years maybe) I would enjoy a "direct" access (or via the Albums view), as I've put some time and energy into careful and precise tagging there - I'm not the only one I guess ! As far as I'm concerned, I've created genres such as: Chamber Music, Recital, and most importantly genres associated with editors' collections (e.g. the Hyperion catalogue), although these collections could be assembled into playlists instead of genres (it's easier to go with genres as this is done at tag review time, rather than later).


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Neelesh Hundekari

I agree. Need a genres tab right on the home screen.

1. Depending on your mood you can then straight away to those albums or artists by choosing the genre.

2. Also will show you wrong, duplicate genres and can help in editing, cleaning up genres.


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Ludo B

Agree with Larry, we need to be able to access the list of genres, in the same way as we can access list of artists or albums. Today when I want to access the genres I switch to iPeng...


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Nuno Vitorino

Isn't the ability to go to Albums > Filters and then pick one or multiple genres from there a much more flexible approach then going through just a list of genres?


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Ludo B

Hi Nuno, thanks for coming back to me. Filtering by genre is doable of course, but less convenient. When I want to listen to music, in general I don't have a precise album or artist in mind, but I know which genre I want to listen to. So actually the 'album' view is useless to me unless I filter. Same for the artist view. This is why I often prefer to launch my music from iPeng/Genre: this way I can pick some music in a very few clicks. In other words, I am 'click-lazy'...


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Nuno Vitorino

That is fair enough. Technically it's easy to add a Genres view on Music. We would have thought the new filter approach is much more flexible but perhaps there is space for both.


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guardajoias

That would be useful as it does not burden much the interface, and it is true that sometimes one may want to browse by genre rather than do a search with selected tags...


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Larry Blume

Hi Nuno, your points 2 and 3 work for me, but when I put a composer's name into the search area, I get only albums with the name in the album title. And while we're talking about searches, boolean searches would be nice.


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Nuno Vitorino

If you use the search within the artists area, you will only get artists there. One thing though is true - the search there is not taking into account your filter so if you have chosen "Composers" it won't search only by composer but on all artists. I think this could eventually help narrowing things down better?


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guardajoias

Definitely it would be very helpful for search results to take into account filters. Ideally, also have the ability to use filters to narrow search results: Classical composers, then among those, look for specific names or titles...


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guardajoias

but currently you cannot do both at the same time: get classical albums, and then browse by composer... So when I try to look through classical composers, I get plenty of irrelevant results. Please allow filters on Artist view as well...


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Nuno Vitorino

Hi Larry,

You can actually search by Composer and genres in several ways:

1. On the Search area, if you just type in the Composer name
2. On the Music > Artists you have on the top-right a drop-down to select only composers
3. To get albums by genre, you can go to Music > Albums and click on Filters on top-right. This will list your genres and you can pick the ones you want.

Does this satisfy what you need? Otherwise can you provide more detail?


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Larry Blume

Hi Nuno,

On 1: I have to do some data gathering. When I type Bach into the Search area, I only get back albums that have Bach in the title. I will have to look at my ID3 composer tags, and to what my Zenith thinks is in my library, and see what's going on. I'll get back if there are things that look like they should be picked up but are not.


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guardajoias

It seems indeed that doing a search for a composer does not find albums that have that composer in the composer field. It only finds it if the name of the composer happens to be in the title. The composer field is ignored in a search. As for browsing by Composer, there is not yet the ability to filter by genre or other criteria... As a result looking for music by composer is difficult.


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Larry Blume

There is, of course, Nuno's method 2, but it is inconvenient if you have a lot of composers, because you get ALL your composers in alphabetical order and then have to scroll to your target. Would it be hard to add searching by composer to the search window? Better yet - how about boolean searches? Since you've got this great database, exploit it to the max! Music management is a big issue for classical music listeners and for jazz listeners as well.


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guardajoias

This seems solved by 2.0.5, but filters for composers or other artist role remain relevant


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Afghan Vet

Thank You! I didn't see a filter, but if I put my Genre name in the search when in Albums, they were displayed per the Genre. I'd rather have a Genre button, opens up, choose the Genre, then presented with a list of Artists. But this is a start.


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Afghan Vet

Thank You! Choosing Albums, and then putting in the Genre I tagged them as in the search brought up albums by Genre. I'd rather have a separate Genre button that brings up a search that takes you to a list of Artists, and then the user chooses albums from the artist, but this is a start.